You cannot be of both. Like David Wilber, a contributor for 119 Ministries, the ministry has recently taken a public stance that Yeshua was in submission to the Church when He went to the stake/cross. The stuff in the Torah just lays out examples of what to do in different situations. Also did you know the proto-hebrew and aramaic is more similiar to english than modern Hebrew in appearance and infact it looks like the letters were just turned sideways. I havent been on my computer yet all day so Im not sure if it is different. I have found that whenever something new comes to a Christian, they immediately tear it apart with their preconceived notions. I have corrected some things they have posted and have seen them change their position on certain things presented. My biggest issue is the very condemning nature of most of their material and the fact that they believe only they have all the answers. Timline, context and intent are key to understanding scriptures. what is the date for the last 7 sabbath year? Put them to the test- i did and what a journey. For the record, I have met, in the last 5-6 years, many lovely HR people who youd likely mistake for the wonderfully emotional joyous evangelicals praising Messiah and the work of the Holy Spirit in their life, or similar to the glorious African-American Baptists ready to sing praises about Yeshua at every opportunity while still keeping whatever part of Gods law that applies to them. The new covenant living Torah gave me an entirely new life due to HIM making and transforming me into a New Creation. You cannot be of both. In the immediate context this is the very subject matter. The Holy Spirit puts that background to good work and makes it easy Him to help me quickly spot the incorrectness and deception in the false teachings woven into 119s teachings. Yes I often have to repent for speaking spanish to people I am around who speak english though they be of hispanic decent How wicked and deceitful our heart can be ..praise God for His Holy Spirit ..even the spirit of truth who reveals all things . And I can say that since my former neighbor went to Seminary and became a pastor himself. Further on in the timeline of Matt. I suggest using bold for the rebuttals. 119 Ministries is the Hebrew Roots ministry of Jon Sherman and Steve Moutria. And its not a matter of what feels good, as in, I get to do what *I* like. When I speak Italian, I do my best never to think in English, Spanish or German. The point is that the Word of God, which includes the Torah, is unchanging from the Not before, not secretly, not without fulfilling all of the Great Commission. Once the sin was revealed by the Law, it shows/proves our need for a Savior. If you are sincerely curious about the revelation of Jesus Christ granted this chief of sinners empowered to the good works of following the Great Commandment and great commission; it is due to The Spirit of LIFE in Christ Jesus which IS stronger than both the Law of sin and death as well as the old covenant Torah! It kept us under custodyunder control if you will, UNTILuntil what? florida sea level rise map 2030 8; lee hendrie footballer wife 1; 2 God has not repudiated his people,[b] whom he chose in advance. Ive posted several rebuttals to your own rebuttals. But again , if I am a missionary in the Aleutian islands , how much time should I spend teaching them Hebrew before proclaiming the Good News of Gods salvation ? Unfortunately we simply cannot read Genesis through Revelation and then decided to leave these parts out. Brandon assured him that stoning as commanded by the Law can only take place under the existence of the Temple and corresponding judicial system. What am I defending? Dear Frank, I agreed with some of your comments, but I was confused by many others. 11:13 For ALL the Prophets AND TORAH prophesied UNTIL JOHN. The problem with Jacob and his wives is yours, not Gods.. These ENEMIES of ours are trying to transform themselves into JEWS ie: wannabee Jews and because they do not have the Spirit of Adoption, are unable to discern ANY of this spiritually, but carry on in the NATURAL. There are numerous other teachings of Christ related to the law of Moses versus Gods law (Sabbath, being born of the spirit, etc.) Now that we know what scripture actually says, answer these questions. We decided to do everything scripture told us to do and when something changed, THEN and only then would we. The New Testament is just a continuation of the Old!!) There are many books on this subject but his is the best Ive found. NO those are not our choices. Not to sound like Judas but couldnt truly that money have gone to the poor ? How much more severer punishment he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant he WAS SANCTIFIED, and has insulted the Holy Spirit of grace? ( Hebrews 10:29) Anyone remember Jim Jones or other false teachers that fleeced the flock recently? I did, and I found their teaching woefully errant. It was stated in a conversation with a desperate Canaanite (non-Jew) woman who begged of Jesus the healing of her demon-possessed daughter. It was funny to me & I like to laugh. The passage you quoted about Jesus only coming for the lost sheep of Israel is out of context. It is laying out a proper way to interact and not create senseless arguments since it is teaching, discipleship, love and the Holy Spirit that will guide so long as a person wants to continue growing in her relationship with the Father. I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud (jot) or a stroke (tittle) will pass from the Torah not until everything that must happen has happened. Real breath of fresh air. There faith is all in their minds; no room for the Spirit to teach them. Christians may be following the second one, but you cant possibly follow the first and most important by saying and believing that His law was done away with, for you are not following His 7th day Sabbath or His Feast Days!! Jealous because many Christians read the Holy Scriptures with a Greco-Roman mindset and want us Jews to do the same? The problem today many rightly claim that Yeshuas sacrifice on the cross, dying for our sins, makes us righteous but they ignore the scriptures that tell us to not continue in sin (transgress Gods commandments), to obey His commandments and that we are to walk as He walked as we see here, He that says he abides in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. They are the ones Im giving your now. 11 (10) You are to stone him to death; because he has tried to draw you away from ADONAI your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of a life of slavery. First, Satan is the great deceiver who loves to take Gods Word and slightly warp it to create his lies. I agree with the Revolting Man that hes an infiltrator and not a brother. If you love the father you will desire to fulfill his will everyday. If of course you follow (understood) Pauline doctrine. http://www.torahlife.tv if you are looking to enhance your understanding of many Bible topics, check out these guys and their amazing site http://www.testeve. And to start with with languages? Since we no longer have a temple or a formal priesthood, these arent valid. Please feel free to comment on anything and ask questions. Do you even know where to look? Below are a few more examples of what Jesus Christ taught. to complete Consider that Moses was righteous in the eyes of Elohim. Webster, was a very religious man. And that is the final blow to ever entering the kingdom of heaventhere is none righteous, no not one. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. (Revelation 3:9), We ARE Spiritual Israel, grafted into the Olive Tree and TOGETHER are the Body of Christ. Jacob buried Rachel and Israel stood up from the grave. I hold no bad feelings toward them nor toward any other protestant, but I think it bad enough for christians to be fighting each other in the protestant/Catholic debate, but now protestants have fractured into more than 10,000 denominations with most of them fighting each other as well. This revelation is crucial for a relationship with our Messiah, good and great Chief Shepard. If you hate any man you have not the love of the father and therefore have not the love of the messiah. If the Law is done away, we have no commandments. No. That eliminates most of the world Jesus said he came to save. Paul tells us to be imitators of Christ, did not Christ keep the Saturday Sabbath along with the rest of the Law? By the way, I doubt that the Leviticus 18:18 argument is even original to you. Because once you start ripping out these pages, you will continually find things that cramp your personal lifestyle. Sean, please be very careful in assuming that every Christian does, believes, and lives as you described in your comment. a vehicle to disseminate Yahweh's truth and the whole Word of God to help others alsoseek, teach and live out the truth of the Word. (And many Christians are already doing much of it! If you are truly willing to test what you believe, try reading the scriptures without applying a particular bias. So, many of these 33,000 Christian denominations are WRONG! Im not saying that by keeping the Law we are saved. The thread being weaved throughout their teaching is that we are to teach all nations to obey the law of Moses. Theyre traditional. Making reference to himself Yeshua said that Gods word is truth. Who is Israel? I used to follow the same beliefs as the author but then I started reading the scriptures and testing what it said against the denominational teachings, and sadly there are many problems. I tried to deny it several times. Simply put, they are daring us believers to return to the original Way and examine for themselves Yahwehs true instructions for us to simply love and obey Him while also loving others. I have started listening to some of their teachings and find them very humble in their presentation . 10 (9) Rather, you must kill him! I ask because in the books of Acts, Paul was found NOT guilty of breaking or teaching against any of Gods laws SIX different times. This is what I heard when my eyes were opened while studying. Well, in the winter of 2007 I was visited at 2AM by the Spirit of YHVH. And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. For example, Jim Jones was a false teacher that came from a protestant denomination, thus all protestants are false I dont think so. But together we can search the Scriptures, focusing on what they actually say and understanding the simplicity that they contain, avoiding pitfalls and incorrect doctrine given by men. Evelyn, I will certainly try. First, the teaching creates doubt regarding the words of the Apostle Paul by asking, Does it really mean what many think it means? (Pg 1) Also look up what the Catholic church actually states about itself and how they changed the Sabbath. (LogOut/ Your message is based on a theme of defeatism and pessimism that the Gospel will not be successful in winning the world for Christ. OMG, this discussion has blown my mind. -Jude 1:3. Its NOT JESUS H. CHRIST. I think what most people dont understand is there is a difference between salvation (saved by grace through faith) and HOW we are to live our lives AFTER we become believers. Yet Satan tried to replicate his own version of the trinity, as seen in the book of Revelation, through the Dragon, the Beast, and the False Prophet. As for being offended goes, I havent even come close to offending you the way Kefa offended that wicked man who wanted to purchase the power to baptize people with the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) or what he said to the deceitful couple in Acts chapter 5 who lied to the Ruach HaKodesh, and then paid the ultimate price. If only they had been wealthy Americans . I would like to order some dvd's. But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. I think you are misunderstanding 119ministries as well as what the Hebrew angle is. My only aim is to discern truth in the presentation of the gospel of Jesus Christ and avoid false teaching. According to your faulty logic, Yeshua the Messiah went through all of that agony on the cross so that you would have the freedom to poison yourself. This does not mean one is to go out and willfully sin because they have grace! So now that I have a like-minded brother in Christ, I am truly interested to know how you reconcile the teachings of 119 Ministries (as I understand them presented above) to your stated beliefs in your earlier reply. Therefore what was meant for Israel is then meant for gentiles leaving their pagan ways after accepting Jesus as saviour. All 119 is trying to do is truly, unbiasedly challenge believers in Yeshua to test and prove what they believe. Your succinct comments in 2. above are well stated and true, as I understand and believe. Testing everything is what the Church should be espousing, after all. a new Law ?, a new law that somehow appears to be just like the old law with a few things changed? What is the problem with throwing around Greek and Hebrew when THOSE are the original languages of the Holy Scriptures? Is Christ divided? There just is no room for love in the 119 teachings. That God has dealt with all men the same way. Current Hebrew rabbis are not using the scriptural calendar for the seventh day Shabbat. The truth will set us free Do they teach that Salvation comes solely by the adherence to the Mosaic Law? The false teaching at 119 ministries has reached levels where they should be dis-fellowshipped. Why? I pulled my family out of the church. I addressed this more fully in my other reply above. Jesus made example of this when reciting the beatitudes. If the Architect is also the owner of the building, there are 3 stages. So what does that mean? If you would like more Scriptures of defending the truth Id be happy to add more to this list. Jesus shows the common understanding which is in fact true, but this understanding alone lacks the full intention of the Torah. 2nd Hour.mp3 Well, it appears that you dont have an excuse to be so ignorant then. They state: "Our obedience is the evidence and substance of our faith.". 18 For truly I tell you, UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH DISAPPEAR,NOT THE SMALLEST LETTER NOR THE LEAST STROKE OF A PEN WILL BY ANY MEANS PASS FROM THE LAW until everything is accomplished. The Gospel of the Kingdom will return but it is not going to convince the world until Satan is removed at the Millennium start. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Why did Yahweh give commands? Not only do they reduce the idea of love and grace essential to Christian theology, they actually deny the idea the newness of the revelation of God in Christ. It like Tiberian Hebrew are forms of this ancient language family with vowel pointing. Opinions do not cost theology does not cost . Jesus simplified things and cut to the heart of the matter. We are NOT under the LAW. Thank you Randall for engaging with openness to at least hear where I am coming from. For more on what we believe, please see this. You mentioned Rom. Mens hearts are wicked, Yahweh would never put it on us to figure out what is right and wrong. Id also like to use your teachings as a reference on this counter to 119 Ministries that Im working on. I just cant find a better instructor that the Author. Thank You Jesus. 2: 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. Ive tried to highlight & pinpoint many of 119s errors in the things Ive written out. There are different laws mentioned throughout scripture and taken out of context in many verses. The only Scriptures possible at that time was the Tanakh (OT) as the NT was not even in existence yet. He is after all the Creator of the Universe who deserves the utmost reverence. I was trying to give you something to think on. Just as importantly, I was trying to point out fundamental errors (as I am prayerfully led to understand) in 119 Ministries teaching. There is no more temple Did you know Shaul (Paul) spent his own money when travelling? It literally comes out as Shin-Beit-Tav. But to go around, as 119 & HR does saying, if you love God, you will keep his feasts and obey the Torah is simply putting on all believers something that is simply not there. Respectfully, I ask you to think on this. You might want to check out this free book thats been around since the 90s.. Do you believe Yahusha to be God? I found it interesting to read your recent post. HE died for me not Paul. For I myself am a son of Israel, from the seed of Avraham,[a] of the tribe of Binyamin. god's big love object lesson. But rather, by our faith in Christ, we are saved, and that should result in obedience, because we have been saved from breaking the Law. This deception is shared with many other groups such as The Hebrew Roots Movement (who DENY the New Covenant in Jesus Blood completely) and countless small and large scale evangelists throughout the world and internetland. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness is far greater than that of the Torah-teachers (scribes) and Prushim (Pharisees), you will certainly not enter the Kingdom of Heaven! . So again , yes it is about salvation , well, we will have to disagree here. God showed his love for us by dying on the cross. For if I hate my brother who I have seen, then how can I love God, whom I havent seen? How can God be mad at the worlds wickedness (which is the transgression of Gods law) if there was no law given? to fall short, fail, fall out, turn out, result still apply? This is easy to prove that this is a common position simply from experience. Salom. I also believe these teachings are there to provide us a way to know him even more and is the rule in which we gauge our living and is guided by the Holy Spirit. Thus the frustration of NOT living a life that is pleasing to God or full of Life! So there will be one flock, one shepherd. Whats important is their message, which is simply test everything to the word of God. These are brothers and sisters in CHRIST who call Messiah by his true Hebrew name. I have struggled to properly portray the fundamental false teaching of 119 Ministries. LIes Lies Lies .. ITS Not a CULT people want to live love and be more like Yeshua whats wrong with that. I choose the third option of translation. ALEPH. Jesus/Yeshua Himself called God, Our Father ..do you call your dad by his name ? Some of us do read our Bibles & clearly hear God. Romans 8:2 If I am wrong, then show me. So thats why Paul explains why gentile are grafted into Israel in Romans 11. Granted, you may be put off by the comment there of In reality, there is not a single verse in the book of Galatians or anywhere in the scripture that would tell us that the law has been abolished. I think most of the issue people have with them is that they are challenging you to walk away from the spoon fed teachings your pastor gives you, and to break out a concordance to do some digging and studying on your own. Lets face it in all forms of modern Christianity there are those that want to control others in one way or the other. Answer. and without him nothing made had being. The Jews today, are the only ones who obey and keep them! 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